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Andrew Cell's avatar

I agree that extended OPT for folks with "STEM" degrees that were "tuition generating" needs to stop, it is really just a back door to the US immigration system. However, many graduate STEM degrees (like a Ph.D. in engineering or biochemistry) are fully supported by US tax dollars since the students are paid by grant supported research assistantships. Now, whether admissions practices into those programs are favoring foreign applicants (in some cases yes) is another question. That said, it IS in the national interest to retain those folks in the USA since the US tax payer paid to train them. My fear is that the extended STEM OPT will be removed with no subtlety.

There needs to be a distinction made between tuition generating BS/MS programs (many of which are low quality even at top universities), and fully supported doctoral programs. There is no national interest in retaining those poorly trained MS students but paying to train Ph.D. students then kicking them out of the country is just dumb.

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Good post. I had no idea that the truly soft degree programs could be STEM. What a scam.

But one note: my discipline, landscape architecture, is (IMO) appropriately STEM. It's a widely misunderstood discipline; I know this because I rarely meet an adult outside of my work environment who knows what it is. People assume it's equivalent to ornamental horticulture, or primarily about garden design.

There is actually a significant overlap with civil engineering, structural engineering, and environmental engineering. A considerable overlap with urban planning. Landscape architects have to know how to do technical grading design, design stormwater/hydrological systems, design retaining walls and other site structures, design roads, work with principles of agronomy, ecosystems, etc. Planting design is part of it but rarely the primary focus of a design office.

Central Park in NYC is a work of landscape architecture. Sometimes people imagine it was preserved from development, but it was wholly created by the design team of Frederick Law Olmsted and Calvert Vaux: massive site grading to create topographical drama, internal roads, walkways, bridges, ponds, fountains, plazas, site structures, walls, buildings (Vaux was an architect), etc. A good example of contemporary landscape architecture in NYC is Brooklyn Bridge Park, or the High Line.

Occasionally we get students in our BLA program who wash out because they cannot handle the technical courses.

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